and knows his brief and so on, but widen is a real slasher and he's going to go after, i assume, mitt romney, hammer and tong. what does ryan have to do here in this debate? >> well, he's going to have to fight back, paul. there was once a debate called a kitchen debate. this is going to be the kitchen sink debate and joe biden is going to throw one kitchen sink after another at ryan and he is going to bring up the 47%, he will bring up the war on women, he will bring up bain capital. he'll throw all of this. >> the entire msnbc agenda. >> exactly. >> will be-- but part of the strategy there will be to pin ryan down on defense, and prevent him from talking about the things he knows best, which are medicare, taxes and financial stuff, the sort of things that romney opened up for him in that initial debate. romney unlocked paul ryan to a certain extent and now he can leverage him if ryan can get the space to talk about it in the debate. >> paul: mary. >> i think what you can expect from paul ryan, he will repeat over and over again, the 716 billion dollars in medicare cuts that obama is puttin